antique whistle research into whistology

it is interesting to whistle students that details become more focused as collections grow and comparisons can be made finally.

Take for example the lowly TOOTHGRIP – not something aften discussed or thought about for sure…..

We remember that a selling point for Metrpolotan Police whistles at first, was supposed to be that beauforts  in general had no toothgrip for keeping the hands free, so they replaced them with a model that did. ( Of course Barrall, Hudson, DeCourcy all manufactured beauforts for many years after the Metro that DID have toothgrips didn't they ?? )

On the other hand virtually ALL round whistles that were used for police, railway, fire brigade, prisons, and military purposes have never had toothgrips !!!!

What about escargots ??

 

handmade whistles – rare ?

when it comes to collecting old whistles it comes up that there are handmade whistles galore.

BUT what does that meeeeeean ??

Trench whistle ?? Hobbyist, ??

OR….

As the story goes there was a lone whistle maker in the USA that operated out of his garage. He made a few hundred every year. Escargots. Very distinctive. Hand made ?? Well he used a machine. BUT worked with his hands too.

The further you go back in time the more 'handmade' the whistles were. Maybe more accurately —-  hand crafted ??

pieces were cast ( by hand ) and solid stock was drilled out and lathed.

Look at all the wonderful early rounds…………… Man and machines….

It woud seem that the more the hands on the whistles were made the fewer were made and the more scarce. Many had their own particular character even when they were made in some amount of numbers….

The opposite extreme was the totally machined and produced whistle  – much more common and cloned types were these.

Now if the whistle is toooo rustic it fails to meet the test of a true whistle — or does it ??

We have a terrific whistle that was made of iron pipe !!!

Where does one draw the line ???

metropolitan police whistles

when does one expaaaaaaaaand into 'other' police whistles ??

Hard to pin it down….maybe when U can't find any more that U can afford ??

Yeah, the rarer ones are SPENDY huh ?? That is ironically because of just a few collectors who bid high.

But high is relative. Whistles have always been cheap and as they rise in prices we get used to that and either back off or jump back in.

OR…

we expand into other police whistles often neglected…..

USA, German, rarer OTHER UK makers,

Maybe even other types of police whistles besides tube shaped —–  GASP !!! Really ??? We can dooooooo that ????????

Yes !! Be bold !!!!

metropolitan police whistles

MORE ?? MORE reasons to collect those Metropolitan Police Whistles ??

OK how about this ???

RARITY !!!!!

Yah, finding those obscure forces that desovled or got gobbled up by other forces ( consolidated ?? )

Now it is REALLY getting interesting huh ??

Shires, burghs, counties, cities,constabularies — oh it is just too delightful !!!!! Makes me almost want to specialize. But no, toooooo confining.

Understandable though the romantic attachment to Metros.

Gotta love those cast parts too. The old stamping methods. The history to track down and sometimes even provenance.

In fact there is no end in sight and that is probably part of the addiction.

Where does one then draw the line ??

 

metropolitan police whistles

the question hanging is — WHY ?????????????

Why all the interest in Metropolitan Police Whistles ??

For one thing whistles are fun to collect. 🙂

Like coins, the Metros all line up in a row —- and what of those changes that occured over a 40 year period !!!

The fact is that few if any whistles can match that. FOUR decades of interesting changes. AND varieties AND anomalies.

They are compact, being tuuuubular and all.

Most are nickle silver which is waaaaaay cooooool from our perspective !!!!

Then there is the ambiance of law enforcement with those so very desirable numbers —- better than railway even ( oops, did I say that outloud ? )

What else is there to the eqution ??? Hmmmmmm…..

 

metropolitan police whistles

Clearly the front runner for researching on line, buying and selling, is the Metropolitan Police whistle.

Why do we say that ???

More research is done on the internet for Metropolitan police whistles than for any other subject of whistles !! — Why is that ???

Shear numbers ?? … Maybe…..Shear collectors ?????? …..Maaaaaaaaybe Shear sellers ??? —– probably !!!

But to sell so many, there have to be collectors right ??? Are there ??

What's all the buzz ???

Hmmmmm, that is the question isn't it ???

Something to ponder a bit……..

how to research your whistles

So let’s pick up the application of researching tube shaped whistles so that we can now apply lessons learned to ROUND whistles.

Round whistles differ in parts in that they have a fipple ( new term I know )
Usually no partition or disc — but not always, some actually DO !!!

But hey, now you know what we are talking about huh ??

What was the first thing to do when you get your new ( old ) whistle ?? Same thing with a round whistle ….

CLEAN it out

Take pics

Measure the length

Check out the top knop and plate

Measure the body, look at the stamp.

Here is one overlooked —– does it unscrew into two parts ???????????

AND also overlooked ————–take special notice of the shape of the window(s)

The next is a little harder — really examine the fipple — record, record, record…..
…..the shape inside the whistle, the curvature of the underneath – how much arch…. length of the fipple, side pins….

Type of metal ?? similar whistles you already have ??? Look for a manufacturer or even a supplier stamp ( remember those lists that Gilchrist and Topman built in CPWs ??

Break down your round whistles in the same manner as your tube shaped whistles.

next ?????

what is an antique whistle ??

Tough question – what is an antique whistle ?

You would think any old whistle. However perhaps the REAL question is what is a whistle ??

Is it a flute like tube shaped instrument with multiple holes ?? More of a pipe than a whistle, but still a whistle ??

And what about slide whistles ?? Are they true whistles ??

AND what about sirens in all their forms ?? Are they 'multiple whistles' all in one or what ??

Then of course There are multiple tube and mutliple chamber whistles ???

Could we bring into the equation bird calls ??

Soooo subjective now isn't it ???

Here's the deepest question of all — why the worry ??

how old is an antique or collectable whistle ?

How old does a whistle have to be to collect ?? How far back to go ?? Gotta have sooooooome integrity right ?? After all I am an ANTIQUE whistle collector…..

I can tell you from my point of view that I draw the line at 1900. I don't collect anything after that date for sure. Tooooooooo new for me.

However, I did collect a few American B&R circa 1910……. in fact  quite a few…

I must admit that those Chiefs from 1914 have snuck in also —  from the states….

Can't say why, but those French rounds that H. Nicholaus distributed are accumulating circa 1920 – 1930

But that is IT, no others. Definitletly — definitely drawing the line at 1930…. for sure. Gotta stay firm and strong. No waffling — I have a reputation to maintain…..

Well, except some German whistles clear up to WW11…………… I hate to admit.

Oh, and those pesky Mauser bullet whistles from Germany, The UK, and Argentina…

And who can resist Pringle escargots from the 50s ?? I can't…..

Now I am into Frankforts circa 1950s……………….absolutely as far as I am going.

……………………..So much for integrity……..ratz………

how to research your whistles

ok, now lets go to the grand finale…

the mouthpiece !!

Cast or machined ??

several types of machined to record.

Wide ? Hourglass ??

wraps around tube ??

rings around ??

Long ??

Short ??

cheap ? quality ?

What type of metal has been used through the whole whistle ??

Brass only ? Nickle plated brass ?? Nickle silver ?? Steel ?? Pewter ?? Silver ?? Brittania ?? pot metal ?? Aluminum ??

Wow this one keeps going doesn't it ??

Now what ?????????????????