whistle notes

Going through our notes I ran across a somewhat forgotten release from 1997-98. Four releases to be exact. It was called Whistle Notes.

It had some very aggressive goals and fantastic research. Years ahead of its time I would think, considering all the interest in whistles nowadays πŸ™‚

Inside the cover page was over 80 topics that were planned to be written about. And the intro as follows:

"The C.W.C.A. was formed in 1996 as a non-profit organization for collectors of calls and whistles worldwide. It was founded by James C. Fitch, James L Dundas, and Howard L. Harlan. The purpose and objectives of the organization are to further the awareness of whistle and call collecting and disseminate information on their identification, use, and origin to members."
The Call & Whistle Collectors Assocation

Just waiting for some pages from the first edition we were missing and they will all be posted thanks to permission from Jim Fitch. Credits will be posted too !!!

 

whistle books

Have you checked out the SPOTLIGHT on researching whistles yet ?? Nice breakdown of Martin Gilchrist's books I think. We haven't really drawn attention to it, but we hope to have a few for sale here at The Whistle Galllery. Scarce as hens teeth as they are all three out of print now !!!

It's important to know becaaaaaause ?? Yep, there are no other books on whistles !!! Probably not going to be what with publishing costs and all.

There's another reason though. You might take note that the hardbound edition of Collecting Police Whistles and Similar Types was CO authored. Simon Topman was heavily involved in the contants and publishing.

Therefore many records were made available for the book and much of the copyrighted informationincluding stamps, registrations, patents, and references is from Hudson's whistles records. That doesn't come from wikipedia you know !!!

So that makes those books indispensible. They are a part of the tools needed for research. You can create your own library from there.  Did you know that ?? Sure….

keep pictures
keep notes
do patent research
use the internet for personal copies
buy catalogs ( and share them with us πŸ™‚
 

essentially creating your own references. We even do that with our whistles. All organized.

But you need those books !!!!!!!!

whistle logos

been working on logos or trademarks a little lately. Not many whistle makers used them it seems.

Chase manufacturing used a CENTAUR

Dixon used a TRUMPET and  BANNER

Pringle used CROSSED AXES and W W

Stevens kinda danced around it with over labels that weren't over labeling anything.

Lilly used box with a corner turned straight up and then put B on top, then L & S below and lower B ( registered )

Linegar came close too with their name arched between a STAR and a CROWN

Hudson registered over 8 names, but no logo. Came close though with JHC on those ACME escargots.

G&JW Hawsley used a CARRIER PIGEON comeing down from above with a LETTER IN ITS BEAK.

Thomas Yates came close with a TY in a small box

John Barrall Almost with BARRALL BIRMINGHAM with an OVAL circling it.

Interestingly one doesn't have to actually register a trademark. It can be a common law thing.

Interesting subject huh ??

 

 

 

whistle condition

wouldn't it be grand if whistles were rated the same as coins ??

You know,uncirculated, extra fine, fine, good — all the way down to poor. It would make buying and selling them sooooo much easier !!! Wouldn't have to ask all the time — are there any hidden defects in the photos pleeeease ?? Bought one recently that was vracked and hidden in the pix.

Are there any scratches ??  Also got a B&R the other day that had no disc πŸ™   I forgot to ask that simple question — does the whistle actually work !!!  —- Doesn't it make you wonder if the seller had his fingers crossed and was thinking " I hope he doesn't ask, I hope, I hope…. Really ?? Cheat someone for 10 dollars, where has integrity gone ?? On the other hand I have heard of buyers that buy a rare whistle, switch it and then return the crummier one !!! Got to admit it isn't always one way is it ??

So, once again I have shot off on a tangent. Back to my earlier tirade. whistle condition. Yup, it would be soooo much more sensible if all agreed to some guidelines. I have tried to explain it to a seller but it loses itself in the translation.

My favorite is the description that says…good shape considering its age. Yeah that really works for me. I go to buy an antique table and it is all scarred up and the seller says great condition for 75 years old !!! Just don't try writing a letter on it is all. How would that work with a muscle car from the 60s ?? Nice condition for its age. Yeah a few scratches and dents but hey, it is 50 years old. Now can I have my money please ??

I'd get off my soap box but it turned out that even though it was great for it's age it was broken and I fell off already…..

bidding versus set prices

Ever wonder why whistles sell better when bid on than when a set price is put out there for anyone to take ??

Think it isn't so ?? Well try it this way. Put a rare whistle up for sale on eBay at a set price plus make it 'OR BEST OFFER'. They never do as well…. not as well as straight up auctions.

Perhaps the gamble that it will go cheap ?  Ha, ha, ha, ha…. Not with all the snipers just hanging back and waiting. It's always funny to hear a seller say that they have several watchers and hope their whistle will do well then. I would be wiulling to bet that a watcher never wins the auctions πŸ™‚

Oh I know, sometimes a couple newbies bid the tar out of it early and everyone pulls off.

However regularly the chickens do come home to roost.

Word has it that you can put some food in front of a chicken and they will eat a certain amount. But hey, put another chicken there and they will eat 30% more !!! So other chickens can drive up the 'desireability' of a whistle and therfore the auction has an air about it.

However the real story is if 'experts' are interested and bid ( even if you are merely anticipating them bidding ) thats where things really change. You see, a whistles stamp of approval may in your mind only come from those guys. Same with all collecting. Pedigree can come from another's opinion !!!!!

Watch out for that spoiling your fun. If YOU like it then it is great fun. If another likes it and you buy it for THAT reason, then you are compensating for some other need.

Hope you are having fun….

 

slider whistles

I wonder how old slider whistles can get to be ?? I have seen them dating half way back into the 1800s. They seem pretty rustic too back then. Must be the diaphragm or what ever keeps the air from getting by or they would be much older. Can't be toooo much older, but I always have hope πŸ™‚ 

However the sound is interesting isn't it ?? In fact it isn't a whistle at all, but it does make a whistling sound, just variable. Apparently that is why they are more of a musical instrument than a 'whistle' per se.

Regardless, fun to say the least. Long too. Hard to put in the whistle case or whatever you store them in. But there are some that I just can't pass up and thereby is the dilemma ( def. — a choice between equally undesireable alternatives ) What do I do ??

I say we collect 'em !!!

Gotta be selective though. No new ones. Unfortunately, there are some nice ones in the 1920s, kinda new,  from different makers, but ….. argh !!! —– too bulky and well, you know, I am a purist at heart…… I'm torn….

That's the problem with this hobby. There are so many directions to go with I have to constantly patrol myself and throw out vectors to the direction I keep telling myself I want to go.

What to do, what to do…. know the feeling ???

snails with tongues ??

whoda thunk ??? Yep, snails can have tongues !!! Just look up inside the mouthpiece of an escargot whistle and you will see it. Are you looking ?? OK then. Now you see a small plate that fits inside on the bottom side and curves down into the round air chamber. Know why that is there ?? Seems extra doesn't it ?? Well it is extra and for good reason.

It keeps the ball from jamming in there and helps to sustain that trilling noise when blown. But that isn't the reason we REALLY are gald for it is it ?? NOoooooo…. it is because they are all ( the tongues ) made so differently πŸ™‚ And THAT helps identify manufacturers.

Oh, I know often we still don't know who made a particular whistle in the USA — because records are so difficult to unearth. But at least now you can group them into the same makers right ?? Half way there, sorta.

Just peek at the front of the whistle and say awwwww. Now compare and classify — good job !!! You are becoming an expert at a highly neglected area of whistle collecting —– the escargot. Swiftly becoming our favorite catagory:-)

whistle research

Unearthed some really great information lately. One tidbit will be posted under DeCourcy, another tidbit under Ward. ( SPOTLIGHTS )

You know every bit adds to the picture of whistle collecting. What is really a treat though is finding out who made a whistle that has been hanging around for perhaps years. It is almost as much fun as when it was first found. Like one would say "oh, now I know your name" !!!!

In thinking about identification…..

We can't get around it can we ?? Around what ??  Glad you asked >>>> CATALOGS, gotta have catalogs. Again, why ??
Cause in old whistle catalogs are the pictures with the model numbers πŸ™‚ No brainer from there huh ??

The catch is that the older whistle makers are gone now and where are their catalogs to be found ?? For example, R.A.Walton. He left Hudsons where is was working as a foreman in 1898 to start his own whistle business … Universal Whistle Works. However he only lasted for 6 years. However, he did make a lot of whistles —- and he also put out a catalog c. 1901,  half way through his adventure. Now where does one find that catalog to examine today ?? Perhaps the library by his business when it was at 14 Hunters Road, Birmingham.

OR it could be stored at a museum by there. OR it could it be on microfish ??? Gotta be sooooome where ???? What a help that would be.

Perhaps even a collector has it and is hoarding it πŸ™‚ Can't blame them for wanting to keep all that information for personal use. However the more we share the more we learn and grow.

Just some fodder for the soul…

 

whistle patents

When the British burned Washington in the War of 1812, the building that housed the Patent Office and General Post Office was the sole survivor. (That's where Congress had to meet during re-building.http://www.uh.edu/engines/epi1932.htm

first fire—-

On the morning of December 15, 1836, the Patent Office, then located at the Blodgett's Hotel in Washington, D.C., was consumed by fire. Among the lost patent-related materials were an estimated 7,000 models and 9,000 drawings of pending and patented inventions. Also destroyed in the flames were the file histories of thousands of patents and pending applications; these losses were considered the most serious because without supporting documentation, a patent was not valid and an application could not be prosecuted.

In the 46 years prior to the fire, the United States government had issued about 10,000 patents. Congress acted to restore those records that could be reconstructed from private files and reproduce models, which were deemed the most valuable and interesting. Patents whose records were not restored were cancelled. There were a total of 2,845 patents restored.

second fire—–

About 11 o'clock on the morning of Monday, September 24, 1877, employees in the building discovered that dense clouds of smoke were issuing from the skylights of the building. Firemen were summoned immediately, but there was some delay in getting water to the fire because the fire was 80 feet above the street, and 20 feet above the water pressure in the hydrants.The major loss was of the drawings and the corresponding models for 31 older patents, leaving only the specifications from which to restore the patent. No patents were totally lost in the fire of 1877.
————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————–It turns out that patents have been churned out continuously since July 31, 1790, when someone named Samuel Hopkins was granted the very first U.S. patent. It was issued for his “improvement in the making of Pot ash and Pearl ash by a new apparatus and process.” Potash, as you may know, has been used for centuries in the production of soap, glass, and fertilizer.

Hopkins’ patent, by the way, was not listed in the official records as #1, because until 1836, patents were listed by names and dates. A renumbering process began that year, because a fire in the patent office destroyed most of the records ——————————————- Ever do patent searches for whistles ???

my whistle

Do you carry a whistle ?? I do. WHY you might ask ?? ( if not,  then I will ask it for us all πŸ™‚

Safety of course, but also communication. Whistles do both don't they ?? And they are simulataneously both at once !! You can call everyone to you and at the same time repel someone too close to you. Pretty nifty huh ?? Of course it HAS TO BE HANDY !!! Won't do any good buried in a purse will it ??

We sell a LOT of cheap whistles just for — walkers, hikers, boaters, hunters, late nite shoppers…. they carry a long ways and they have a piercing level that does not get beat down by traffic, the waves or gunfire ( that's why the military used them ) or yelling schoolyards or playgrounds ??? Every teacher should have one or more. Even being used in industrial envirements again over the sound of all the machinery. On the jobsite the crane operators use them to warn of rising loads.

For me, I want one that is sturdy, yet has some history to it. Not just a cheap junker. So I picked a Pringle whistle circa 1950 from the UK. Light weight and a screamer as most escargots are. In fact a good call will rattle your eardrums if you really let loose. It is pure nickle silver so it polishes up nicely and still looks antique. The design is very light weight, yet very strong. Hand made at that !!! The top is not a knop but a thick wire tranversing the top with a slight bend for the ring to attach and then on to my keychain.

We recommend escargot whistles. They carry farther than the tube shaped ones. No boater should be on the water without one on their key chain. All vests should have a small one. All hunters and hikers should have one ( and GPS of course ) Well, you get the picture, however it is a sound thing now isn't it ??