cleaning

It is surprising how often we get asked about how do I clean my whistle. Finally figured it out !!! It is a trick question !!!!

It's not how do I cleeeeean my whistle , but how do I disinfect it    πŸ™‚    EASY …. bleach, well, diluted bleach water to be exact. Just add some bleach to some water very dilute and then soak them in it. If you like scrub them with a brush.

BEFORE that though look inside. It is amazing how much of a fur ball can get into that small whistle !! Especially those tube shaped ones. So take some tweezers and empty them out, then scrub and soak them.

Now you can safely blow away, well unless it is made of lead at all and then of course you don't want to put them in your mouths at all !! You could always use an air can like we do πŸ™‚ ( get them at Costco )

Oh and be careful, no abrasives right ???

 

are rare whistles expensive?

well, yes and no,  is the answer for today's heading. They don't have to be  !!!!

yes, if it is popular, no if it is obscure and out of the limelight. Some are high profile and some literally nobody cares about. The ironic thing is that some times these are fantastic whistles !!! —- NO REALLY !!!

Connoiseura person with special knowledge or appreciation of a field, esp in the arts. So with just the tiniest bit of appreciation for varieties of rare whistles, you can be eclectic enough to be choosy and scoop up some real prizes — for cheap !!!. Aaaaaaand that makes you a connoiser of rare and fine whistles.

However it is a lonely road my friend. After all, who do you talk to about your latest find ?? Obscure whistles in an obscure field of whistle collecting !!!

Here's the thing though…would you rather be collecting something that EVERYONE wanted and find a couple things to share after spending half your life searching for those once in a life time ( or twice ) bargains ?? OR would feel like you hit the jackpot because hardly anyone notices something of real value ?? And you are finding LOTS !!!!!

Well, you might say if nobody notices them, then there is no value and I'm crazy for thinking so. Wishful thinking. Whistles are just trinkits. Toys. Baubels…..

Works for me….just keep thinking that way     πŸ™‚

hungery for whistles ??

Had an aquatance send me an item, we'll call #@*. He started collecting them because of a contest between him and another friend.

The goal was simple. Each pick an item to collect ( ergo #@* on his part ) and then see who could reach 50 first. Harmless fun really. And cheap as no one else really was after those #@* anyway  πŸ™‚

Interesting what people collect isn't it. Now LOTS of #@* later, there is a what some would call a significant 'collection' However you and I might look at it and ask why collect those ????? Kinda weeeeird you think ???? The same could be said about whistles……

What makes a collection so important ?? Lots of things I would imagine like history, caftmanship, rarity and so on. However it is always good to pause and ask…is there something else going on here — behind the scenes?? As we look for more, is something else driving us ?? The desire to aquire that is relentless. A hunger, a need ?? What one could add up to >>> as a craving….

For example:

After looking long hours for a rarity, when one is finally found, how long does that victory last ?? Do we go back and get the same pleasure we had when we first found it ?? In other words how lasting is each find ?? Or is it fleeting and the move is on for another 'fix' ?? Good questions to ponder !!! Does it not seem over the top to get emotionally worked up over objects ???

A collector once showed me a whistle and said that if 'so and so' saw it he would go GA GA over it !!!! Do we go GA GA ??

Try this on, compare whistles to bird calls. Similar right ?? But do we turn up our noses at a bird call and then salivate over a whistle ?? It would seem that whether we collect MAPS, CORKSCREWS, POKEMAN CARDS, BARBED WIRE SECTIONS ( and the list goes on forever !!! ) our individual passion is rooted way down below >>>>>>  where no one likes to go.

Well, at least not today…..

 

patina

Don't you love the feel of those old metal whistles ?? I might take a chance here and say that one just doesn't get that feel from a comparably old PLASTIC whistle, huh ?? Why is that ??

PATINA

Interesting subject really. I am no metallurgist for sure. I can't even get all the info figured out about oxides, carbonates and sulfides, residues left on the surface of our whistles reacting ( i.e. oxidation ) to the atmosphere surrounding them. BUT this I do know — Makes them look ( and feel ? ) really old — and for some reason it is comforting. Aged, but steady mates they are haaaaaar ( pirate talk ).

Apparently the coating actually helps preserve the metal, instead of just eating it away. Who knew ?? Another thing I learned is that wooden ones, horn, antler etc.  get patina too. Well I kinda knew it,  just never made the connection. Wooden whistles get darker with age too !!

Yet here's another thing about patina. It caaaan refer to the surface texture that can result from normal use — over a period of time. NO, I don't mean anything like the mouthpieces turning into some strange kinda patina due to someones lips being in contact, that would be just toooooo weird. But those oils and chemicals from our hands wear into those old timers and it also affects the FEEEEEEEL … Wow, closure !!!

So, it is the age, plus the air, plus the oils from our hands and well of course the type of metal ( and I might add the quality of that particular metal ) that adds up to that sometimes marvelous and yet enigmatic patina.

escargots

the lowly escargot…who will speak up for it ( them )

I WILL !!!

So many trip over them getting to the OTHER whistles and miss sooooo much !!! There are many nuances to find . And NOOOOOO they don't all look alike, there ARE differences.  Like what you say ?? Good question, let's look at just one thing ( well think about it anyway ) >>>>>>>>> The toothgrip.

Not much to look at, but looking closely one sees an important amount of variation and isn't that a big deal when differentiating them ?? You betcha !!!! Some are WIDE, while others are SHORT !!!  Then there are those that are only on the top and vice versa — well haven't seen it on just the bottom yet, but am looking and expectant   πŸ™‚

I have even seen some that are applied after the whistle is done !!! Little flat curved pieces attached. All of it helps tell the makers apart. The curvatures vary too,  some really curved and some less.

Now add to that height and we have even more clues !!! Granted this is a little stretched….

The "piece de resistance" though has to be those escargots from India made during the 1940s. Wow, what work they took. Exmaining them closely shows that although it was common before this time to have the toothgrips pressed out by a machine, these industrious makers ( and there were plenty of them ) actually filed them into place !!! How ?? The metal was thicker on the top of the mouthpiece and someone had to sit there and file down the metal until only a rough toothgrip was left !!! Same on the bottom many times. How many hours did THAT take ?? Dunno, but a LOT of labor.

Doesn't take much to make me pant over whistles, but boy that's a sprint to get there !!!!!. Won't ever look at escargots the same again will ya ?? ….. Unless of course you are tripping over them.

McDonald escargot

 

Nice to see we're heading for 10,000 hits in just a couple months !! Traffic is good, but communication is better !! Write in !!!! Argh !!! Either there are a lot of hackers out there or there are at least a few OTHER collectors hovering about πŸ™‚

We are down to pricing  just escargots and rare makers in GSWs now !! Yep, pricing them out right now ( well after the bloggggg that is…. and then we upload the FOR SALE section, just in case you have been frustrated…. I know I have been….

Saw an interesting plexiglass case that is used to house matchbox cars recently, while I was out on a job. I took some rough pix from my phone to upload for you under collections. Yeah, I know you aren't into matchboxes, but the cases look promising. Unfortunately the fellow couldn't remember the retailer !!

For a llittle eBay news….Saw a McDonald 6 piece escargot whistle ( 1890 ) sell today for almost 500 dollars !!! A fellow collector from the states took it over another collector from Israel. I was in the mix, but faaaaaar below that price !!!! In fact less than half in case you think I have a lot to spend πŸ™
Know much about McDonald ( Peter ) ?? Apparently from Martyn Gilchrist's research, he joined with Ward in 1890 to design and make a heavy 6 piece escargot – pictured in More Whistles — in the escargot section ( der ).

What a bit of work that was !!! HEAVY to say the least. I will say, that whistle is LOUD !! I know everyone and their brother writes that on eBay when they sell a whistle.>>>> Quote  " I don't know anything about whistles, but it is LOUD"  Like that is the reason we are looking at a 75-100 year old whistle ?? Yeah, I do that sure, I think to myself well, although it is antique and all, the finish is finally eroded off and the metal beneath has turned into a very nice patina, BUT, I wonder if it is LOUD ?? Cause THAT'S what I'm looking for !!! Sort of like looking at an old Model T Ford to buy and wondering if the radio works ???

However I digress, the point is that the first 6 piece whistle design WAS well designed. It seems that  AULD came out with almost the exact same 6 piece whistle.—– IN THE SAME YEAR ??  After and during a time that escargots were VERY light weights ?? One could compare it to economy cars being produced for yeeeeears and then several muscle cars came out at the same time !!!

Makes one wonder doesn't it ?? How did that occur ?? Hmmmm,,,,,,,,1890 was a real turning point though… Think about what happened…. Ready to think ??….. 

Auld ( from Glasgow ) registers a 6 piece escargot design in January
Ward ( from Glasgow ) with McDonald ( Birmingham ?? ) registers a 6 piece escargot design in February
McDonald makes his own 6 piece escargot !!!
All three have well attached knops that look alike. McDonald whistles are a little skinnier body and the mouth more rounded. Peters' window is slightly larger. All three have rings cut into the knops. Even the cork balls are the same size !!!

I tell ya, Glasgow was a hotbed of whistle making that year. OTHER 6 piece whistles showed up too !! Who made those ?? I dunno…
Who knows how long they were made for, however in just one year they were all obsolete !!!

in 1891 Hudson designed and patented their own FOUR piece escargot and it is substantially the same design used today …. 120 years later….

metals used for whistles

wish I knew more about metals. I surfed the net today to find out where nickle plated brass goes to ??  Well, the nickle I mean. You've seen them right ?? A hundred year old whistle and all the brass showing through ?? It can't be all rubbed off, as extensive as I see it — and barely any left at the joints….

Many times one sees the whole whistle of brass and at the extreme edges some nickle plating remaining. Search as I might, not much written about oxidation and deteriorating of nickel. However 100 year old whistles nonetheless show quite a bit of it  !!!

Don't take me wrong, I love it myself. I much prefer the richer patina of old brass rather than the pristine look of nickle. In fact let's rank my most favorites from the tops to the least … I'm sure that's what you want to hear right now… yeah right….well anyway….

Tops for me issssss yep, you guessed it — nickle silver !!! The yellowish kind is the best, but ANY is great. πŸ™‚ I even prefer it polished. Hmmm kind of makes me an oximoron ( boy, there's puns in there front and back ) since I don't really like nickle plating that much. Some prefer that very powdery yellowish patina, gotta give it to them,  it can look nice too I guess.

 2nd place goes to brass that has a very dark patina. Very rich looking. Can't touch it to repair it without ruining the patina though !!

Thirdly ( is that even a word? ) comes old steel that has that rich almost blackened look to it. Wow, even the chains look terrific that way. I'm salivating thinking about it !!!

( I'm inserting bronze in here, cause I missed it and so as not offend all the Romans of old )

Fourth(ly) would be copper – if I saw it much. Does show up on Horstman escargots and GSWs. Sometimes elsewhere. Really turns brown doesn't it ??

Slipping in here is pewter. That was a close battle and I am not so sure that pewter doesn't actually edge out copper, but whatever….It can really look rich and dark — are we sensing a theme here at all ?? >>>>> and adds to the feel for some reason.

Not last at all, is of course our friend tonight–nickle plated brass. If it is a good plating job it really does look quite impressive. Real quality to the feel, but this look is more like chrome, just not as silvery.

Running closer to the bottom is of course chrome, yech. I even had a few whistles stripped to get it off. Looks more like a bumper finish than a whistle. And to think some had theirs plated years ago on purpose !!!

At the lower level is brittania which accepts plating, so can look even worse believe it or not !!! The whistles always look cheap made of brittania don't you think ?? Well I do and can cite many examples if you get your dander up at all. Even with all the plating worn off they don't ever measure up to Pewter whistles.

Whats at the bottom ?? I would have to say pot metal sort of like SPAM of the whistle world — what's in that stuff anyway ?? One wonders if other stuff than metal is actually used in there. Sure feels like wood products or something Or even spam or something….anyway…. I dunno….CHEAP that's for sure

Noticed I left out silver and gold completely ??? Yeah, another day……Of course we have restricted our 'discussion" to metal only , no tin ( for obvious reasons )

What say you ?? Did I miss anything ??? Hello ???

 

porteous

what makes a Porteous ??

Well, it IS a name now isn't it ?? ( Whistles are named AFTER that name doncha know?? ) But why ?? The inference would be that he ( she ) did some design work —–  that applied to those whistles !!

The earliest seen is 1845 on the 4 chambered whistles manufactured by Stevens. Did the three chambered have a different design date ?? — Anyone know ?? Did this person work there ?? Did that person design the whistles that were registered designs ?? ( not patents by the way ) Did Stevens make the whistles or did Porteous ?? All good questions that need answering.

Next came those police and GSWs with the round tops that apparently were also attributed to Porteous because they first show up on labels that Stevens manufactured too >>>> on the over labels that weren't OVER labeling anything. They were just attached to the sides if the whistles. Both tube shaped and also round whistles.

Quite a conundrum really……. WHO WAS THIS GUY ???????

Makes you wonder if he had anything to do with all those fantastic BELL whistles that Stevens manufactured….

And what about when the name changed to Stevens and Sons ….. was he still around ?? Why wasn't it Stevens and Porteous for crying out loud ???????????? Makes one wonder now doesn't it ???

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juat goes to show you that we all need to dig for these answers — most now have been answered in the May SPOTLIGHT 2013 of the Whistle Gallery !!!!

loading

finished Beauforts, Boson, Rounds ( I know out of order ) today and ready for loading to the FOR SALE section. Told you !! Didn't think it was EVER going to be done huh ?? I don't blame you. Really tedious. Had to retake some pictures.

Will keep plowing before actually loading them up. Should have half a dozen catagories done soon and then, voila.

Hoping for the following format…

Maker
Year
Price
Rarity
Description ( brief )

Serious enquiries can always ask for more pictures I suppose. All in all, takes a ton of time ya know…. Then there is pricing. Postage on one can be four times what another costs to get here !!! SO the prices may vary some what. Should I take offers ?? I dunno, gets all balled up them. I start high and then bargain back and forth…Then of course have to be reasonable ( means literally 'willing to yield' )

Gotta start somewhere, so I started at the bottom of my hagning board, almost 50 whistles done today…. Only about 301 to go….OMG….

back from sunny calif !!

yah, really sunny in No. Cal. this weekend. The show at the naval base in Alameda was very nice. Lots of people and interest in whistles !!! We used a 20 foot long booth and set up a couple boards along with a 'collectors' box for the more collectable models. NOTHIN BUT WHISTLES !!! 

Why post or write about it ?? Just to mention that the growing interest sometimes needs more than the internet. So we may have to travel some to promote this low flying, under the radar hobby. Yeah, not really worth it for the sales. But meet a lot of folks and get the word out what is happening in whistle world.

Many times we hear the comment that "I need to FEEL" the weight and smoothness before I buy. Well, that works great if you can find 'em !!! But there just aren't that many booths selling whistles now are there ??? So eventually the internet has to become the channel to whistle exchange…we hope πŸ™‚

Will be loading up the FOR SALE page next, —- perhaps this week after deducting what was sold. Good news…the cycling whistle still here for sale !! The pewter dog is gone though (was bought in seconds actually ) Sold half the torpedo boat whistles to one customer. And of course lots of police whistles. Also sold a couple books left of MORE WHISTLES. I have just three left and then they are ALL gone !!! Hope Martyn reprints.And we still have a great Yates dual chamber 1870s with pewter mouthpieces.

Got in late today, but a few hasty notes till rolling again…..